Loop knots

[megalomaniac]

My thought exactly. Flouro shouldn't be used on topwater as it sinks. Also it can get brittle. I would use a mono on top water or straight braid. With a loop knot, mono would probably be best as the braid might slip with a loop knot.

Can't use straight braid because of abrasions around the submerged rock/ concrete structure I'm fishing topwater. The flouro isn't sinking fast enough to make a difference I don't think, as the bait is getting worked fast.

As far as brittle, that COULD be my problem!!!! Great thought! My leader spool is kept in my tacklebag and not exposed to sunlight, but it is 2 years old. I retie new leader from that spool with FG knot at home every 3rd trip or so on all my rods so the leader itself is always fresh... but the spool I'm getting it from could be the problem. Especially since the problem seems to be getting worse past few months.

Def gonna go buy a new spool of 16lb flouro!

 

[scn]

Can't use straight braid because of abrasions around the submerged rock/ concrete structure I'm fishing topwater. The flouro isn't sinking fast enough to make a difference I don't think, as the bait is getting worked fast.

As far as brittle, that COULD be my problem!!!! Great thought! My leader spool is kept in my tacklebag and not exposed to sunlight, but it is 2 years old. I retie new leader from that spool with FG knot at home every 3rd trip or so on all my rods so the leader itself is always fresh... but the spool I'm getting it from could be the problem. Especially since the problem seems to be getting worse past few months.

Def gonna go buy a new spool of 16lb flouro!

I remember a trout trip out west where I started with an old spool of flouro instead of the new one I had with me. After breaking off three straight nice fish I decided to go to the new spool. I didn't pop off any after that. Whether it was the old tippet or me being too hard on the strike wasn't answered, but I have since done a better job of rotating out tippet.

 

[WTM]

Can't use straight braid because of abrasions around the submerged rock/ concrete structure I'm fishing topwater. The flouro isn't sinking fast enough to make a difference I don't think, as the bait is getting worked fast.

As far as brittle, that COULD be my problem!!!! Great thought! My leader spool is kept in my tacklebag and not exposed to sunlight, but it is 2 years old. I retie new leader from that spool with FG knot at home every 3rd trip or so on all my rods so the leader itself is always fresh... but the spool I'm getting it from could be the problem. Especially since the problem seems to be getting worse past few months.

Def gonna go buy a new spool of 16lb flouro!

could be but i doubt it. flouro is not affect by UV and ages better than mono. one of the biggest problems with flouro is shock resistance. contrary to popular belief flouro WILL stretch, even as much as mono but it doesnt have elasticity like mono. hook and fight a dozen decent fish and it will stretch the line down to a lower break strength usually from the connection up to about a foot above the connection.

 

[megalomaniac]

could be but i doubt it. flouro is not affect by UV and ages better than mono. one of the biggest problems with flouro is shock resistance. contrary to popular belief flouro WILL stretch, even as much as mono but it doesnt have elasticity like mono. hook and fight a dozen decent fish and it will stretch the line down to a lower break strength usually from the connection up to about a foot above the connection.

makes sense, but line isn't breaking with a direct palomar or clinch knot even after catching 25 or 30 fish. It's just with the loop knot at the eyelet, but after many casts and quite a few fish. It cost me the 23in speck last Friday. Changed to palomar, caught several more big fish with no breaks and only retied once, when I got the braid frayed a bit from a trout getting into the structure before I could horse him out. Flouro leader was fine when I retied.

 

[XCR-2]

I see what you're saying. It's not the knot, it's the loop rubbing against the eye. Change from a circle split ring to an oval one that's black nickel plated. Can't remember who makes them but I think tackle warehouse has them.

 

[XCR-2]

Decoy is who makes them I believe.

 

[WTM]

makes sense, but line isn't breaking with a direct palomar or clinch knot even after catching 25 or 30 fish. It's just with the loop knot at the eyelet, but after many casts and quite a few fish. It cost me the 23in speck last Friday. Changed to palomar, caught several more big fish with no breaks and only retied once, when I got the braid frayed a bit from a trout getting into the structure before I could horse him out. Flouro leader was fine when I retied.

has to be rubbing then like xcr suggests. ive never had that happen but i only cast topwater maybe 100 casts early in the day and i use momo for topwater.