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Should we even worry about CWD anymore?

I lived in NM for 11yrs and still hunt out there. I've heard every excuse in the book for getting rid of whitetails. Western hunters hate them. Never did understand it. IMO it's a cultural sentiment qualified with nonsense excuses.
Well, mule deer are extremely sensitive to habitat disturbances and seemingly lack the ability to quickly adapt. This allows elk and whitetail to move in and thrive, further limiting mule deer habitat.

It's also widely accepted, whether true or not, that whitetail help spread diseases more quickly to mule deer. Apparently they carry CWD at higher rates and do better at dealing with the disease vs mule deer.

Idk, but I'll tell you this; Whitetail are thriving in many western landscapes (mainly river bottom corridors) and private landowners have learned to capitalize on them.
 
This is correct. The areas that have CWD the longest and at the highest concentrations are the "test beds" for finding resistant or immune deer.
So far all we have seen is higher prevalence and fewer deer. I'm hoping we will see a tide change in the next few years.
 
Perhaps, but I see a state that went rogue on the herd, therefore decimating everything you guys have been doing to promote an older deer herd. Depred permits are possibly the number one issue that hasnt been addressed, for multiple reasons. I personally think that's why your numbers are in the dumps.
We are aware of the harvest numbers and any depredation permits in our area. Everything is well documented on Ames. Even with the liberal permits and limits, we've killed fewer and fewer deer each season since CWD was discovered. I can tell you for a fact, our deer numbers are not in the dumps from over harvest or depredation killing.
 
We are aware of the harvest numbers and any depredation permits in our area. Everything is well documented on Ames. Even with the liberal permits and limits, we've killed fewer and fewer deer each season since CWD was discovered. I can tell you for a fact, our deer numbers are not in the dumps from over harvest or depredation killing.
How many deer were killed on the permits
 
How many deer were killed on the permits
They killed 7 deer on permits. Six does and one young buck back before CWD was discovered. No deer were killed under depredation permits since then. None were issued although, the state did say they wanted to bring in sharpshooters and kill every deer on Ames. That request was denied. The year they had permits, management thought the club hadn't killed enough does so they used some permits.
 
They killed 7 deer on permits. Six does and one young buck back before CWD was discovered. No deer were killed under depredation permits since then. None were issued although, the state did say they wanted to bring in sharpshooters and kill every deer on Ames. That request was denied. The year they had permits, management thought the club hadn't killed enough does so they used some permits.
Is that just at Ames or the neighbors as well.
 
I hunt near Ames and we have seen a decline in population. Even though everyone says it's the fault of liberal bag limits, I don't think that's the issue. When you see half the deer you used to, you're not going to kill as many. The only wildcard where I hunt is the depredation permits. I hear there have been many issued and lots killed. It would be nice to know how many. How can you confidently manage without knowing this?
 
Declining population census, harvest, and observation numbers were happening for several years before CWD was announced.

Also, as an observation to the conversation, many arguments that CWD is not that bad is based on state's herd population information. Those of us expressing concern are talking about localized herd management approach, in a hot zone (even then a wildly varied experiences). Understand, many of the hunters in this zone are in Fayette county, on relatively large properties that are very in tune with other adjacent landowners actively managing the herd. Also, arguments to the contrary don't explain the exact same experiences across the state line in adjoining MS counties that have different regulations and philosophies of managing deer herds.
 
So far all we have seen is higher prevalence and fewer deer. I'm hoping we will see a tide change in the next few years.
I wouldn't hold my breath. Because CWD kills so slowly, Nature will be slow to work. The faster an infectious disease kills, the fast those who are immune begin to dominate reproductively. The slower it kills (and the more offspring a non-immune animal can have before death), the longer it takes for immunity to spread. Considering CWD is about as an extreme case as possible for delayed death, I would suspect immunity spreading through a population would take 50 to 100 years.
 
I disagree, we humans need to stay out of it until nature runs it's course. Nature will select which ones survive and which will not, all we do is interrupt that cycle. Once the prevalence rate declines to an acceptable level, then we can repopulate any areas that may have been decimated by deer with weak constitutions.
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I'm the KY Dept of Fish & Wildlife 1st District Commissioner that Rem 270 referenced earlier in this thread. Before moving to KY, I lived in Martin, TN for several years and have been on TNDeer since the start. If hunting is to continue, we need to be recruiting more hunters. When I first started hunting, the percentage of the population of the US that took part in hunting was well in the double digits. Now, about 5 % of the population of the US hunts. Because they are primarily rural states, the KY & TN percentages are probably a little higher, like 7%, which still represents a big decline. An even lower percentage of youth hunt. There are many reasons for this low level of participation. One is the huge number of competing activities. I have an 11 y/o granddaughter that I am hoping to take hunting. She currently is on a traveling soccer team & in the National Archery in the Schools Program. At school, they are recruiting her to be on the academic team & to be a cheerleader. Each of these activities require multiple practices per week. Lots of kids are in the same boat! If we are going to recruit new hunters, we have to meet these kids where they are. We have to provide a convenient opportunity for them to be introduced to hunting.

I did propose that Early Youth season be expanded from the current 2 days to 9 consecutive days in early & mid October. The current 2 day season is on a weekend in early Oct. Unlike when I was a kid, lots of parents work weekends just like week days. If you're a manager of a restaurant or store, work in healthcare (RN, Xray tech, respiratory therapist), or any of a number of professions, you probably have to work some weekends. But, you probably could manage to not have to work 2 consecutive weekends. The 5 weekdays in my proposal are when many schools have their Fall Break. realize, as Rem 270 pointed out, that their chances would be better in November but the weather is often colder & many of these kids have never hunted before so they don't have warm hunting clothes! And, because these are kids, they have to have a mentor take them hunting or they can't participate. That's why I proposed expanding Early MZ season, which is currently only 2 days, to the same 9 days as Early Youth, so that those mentors could hunt, and harvest deer, with their youth. I started hunting small game with my dad but kids that take up hunting now almost all start with deer.

This proposal isn't perfect or a complete answer but would at least be a start. We have over 1 million deer in KY. The entire 1st District is overpopulated. I get calls from farmers who tell me they can often count over 100 deer in their crop fields. Some use depredation permits & let the deer go to waste. On top of that, hunters in the CWD Surveillance Zone took 26% fewer deer than the average of the 5 previous the first year after CWD was found in Henry Co. In all of those counties, there is currently no limit on antlerless deer. A lot of hunters still won't shoot a does until they get a buck. After Modern Firearm season, in mid-November, when most deer & an even bigger percentage of bucks are harvested, a big share of hunters switch over to waterfowl, so little deer hunting occurs. And, in many states, the sale of hunting & fishing licenses & permits funds the lion's share of conservation. I don't worry that CWD will kill deer hunting. I think deer hunting is much more likely to end because old deer hunters like me will die off and young people won't replace us.
 
I'm the KY Dept of Fish & Wildlife 1st District Commissioner that Rem 270 referenced earlier in this thread. Before moving to KY, I lived in Martin, TN for several years and have been on TNDeer since the start. If hunting is to continue, we need to be recruiting more hunters. When I first started hunting, the percentage of the population of the US that took part in hunting was well in the double digits. Now, about 5 % of the population of the US hunts. Because they are primarily rural states, the KY & TN percentages are probably a little higher, like 7%, which still represents a big decline. An even lower percentage of youth hunt. There are many reasons for this low level of participation. One is the huge number of competing activities. I have an 11 y/o granddaughter that I am hoping to take hunting. She currently is on a traveling soccer team & in the National Archery in the Schools Program. At school, they are recruiting her to be on the academic team & to be a cheerleader. Each of these activities require multiple practices per week. Lots of kids are in the same boat! If we are going to recruit new hunters, we have to meet these kids where they are. We have to provide a convenient opportunity for them to be introduced to hunting.

I did propose that Early Youth season be expanded from the current 2 days to 9 consecutive days in early & mid October. The current 2 day season is on a weekend in early Oct. Unlike when I was a kid, lots of parents work weekends just like week days. If you're a manager of a restaurant or store, work in healthcare (RN, Xray tech, respiratory therapist), or any of a number of professions, you probably have to work some weekends. But, you probably could manage to not have to work 2 consecutive weekends. The 5 weekdays in my proposal are when many schools have their Fall Break. realize, as Rem 270 pointed out, that their chances would be better in November but the weather is often colder & many of these kids have never hunted before so they don't have warm hunting clothes! And, because these are kids, they have to have a mentor take them hunting or they can't participate. That's why I proposed expanding Early MZ season, which is currently only 2 days, to the same 9 days as Early Youth, so that those mentors could hunt, and harvest deer, with their youth. I started hunting small game with my dad but kids that take up hunting now almost all start with deer.

This proposal isn't perfect or a complete answer but would at least be a start. We have over 1 million deer in KY. The entire 1st District is overpopulated. I get calls from farmers who tell me they can often count over 100 deer in their crop fields. Some use depredation permits & let the deer go to waste. On top of that, hunters in the CWD Surveillance Zone took 26% fewer deer than the average of the 5 previous the first year after CWD was found in Henry Co. In all of those counties, there is currently no limit on antlerless deer. A lot of hunters still won't shoot a does until they get a buck. After Modern Firearm season, in mid-November, when most deer & an even bigger percentage of bucks are harvested, a big share of hunters switch over to waterfowl, so little deer hunting occurs. And, in many states, the sale of hunting & fishing licenses & permits funds the lion's share of conservation. I don't worry that CWD will kill deer hunting. I think deer hunting is much more likely to end because old deer hunters like me will die off and young people won't replace us.
I appreciate your comments ROB and agree that deer hunting is on the decline and CWD is just one more blow. No one invested more in deer hunting with my boys than me. Yet, today they don't deer hunt anymore. They both enjoy other outdoor activities however and that should be the goal. Deer hunting may lose its number 1 position for hunting but that's ok if our youth continue to invest in the great outdoors. Deer will survive and hunting will survive but deer hunting as we knew it may not. I admire your efforts to continue to make opportunities for youth to deer hunt.
 
Loss of hunting property's has played a large part in the decline of hunting and will continue to play a part, lease's keep getting higher and few folks won't let just anybody hunt. Ky is in the same boat as far as too many deer in some spots, CWD is going to clear out a lot of thick spots I am afraid, when Tn gets the deer numbers reduced to a certain number I see them going to a 1 buck limit state wide. The sad thing will be the trophy hunters will have a lot less chance to take a trophy by todays standards. I may not live to see it but it's coming.
 

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